Talking points: psychedelics, therapy, culture, interdependence, history, materialism

It’s been several years since I last talked with Paul, and he’s been busy. We branch out into a number of ideas, all centered around what psychedelics have done, are doing, and COULD do for humanity.

If you’re looking for thoughts from an expert on where the therapeutic industry might be headed—and what’s needed from all of us—this is the conversation for you. Listen in.

(00:00:00) – Intro and Paul’s defining moment
(00:06:02) – Why do you think psychedelics were so villainized back in the day?
(00:11:29) – Would you say that part of the psychedelic experience is interaction with the unconscious?
(00:15:16) – Did psychedelics influence Jung’s “Red Book”, and how can psychedelic use actually improve mental health?
(00:24:11) – Psychedelic use should also assist collective mental health, not just individualistic goals
(00:29:42) – What is the recipe for a bad trip, and the importance of preparation and post-trip integration
(00:39:20) – Paul’s thoughts on the future, and possible concerns culturally and for teenagers
(00:46:43) – How can psychedelics impact our capacity to lead ourselves and others?
(00:56:10) – What would individuals and leaders do to deepen their understanding of interdependence?

Paul F. Austin is one of the most prominent voices in the world of psychedelics. As the founder of Third Wave, he has educated millions on the importance of safe and effective psychedelic experiences. A pioneer at the intersection of microdosing, personal transformation, and professional success, he has been featured in Forbes, Rolling Stone, and the BBC’s Worklife. Paul helps others use microdosing as a tool for professional development and increased self-awareness by treating the use of psychedelics as a skill refined through mentorship and courageous exploration. 

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